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Mercedes S 400 BlueHYBRID
Waar is die tijd gebleven dat Lexus alles van Mercedes afkeek, en niet andersom? Das Haus heeft vandaag een grote stap gezet en bekendgemaakt dat ze in de zomer van 2009 dan echt met hun eerste hybride HYBRIDE komen: de S 400 BlueHYBRID.

De auto is gebaseerd op de S 350 en daarmee uitgerust met een 3,5 liter V6 van 279 pk gekoppeld aan een 7G-Tronic automaat. Oh, en natuurlijk een elektromotor van nog eens 20 pk en 160 Nm. Deze wordt gevoed door moderne lithium-ionaccu’s en weet de benzinemotor zo te assisteren dat het gecombineerde verbruik blijft steken op 7,9 liter per 100 km; 2,2 liter minder dan de S 350. De CO2-uitstoot is een geheel slurptaksontwijkende 190 gram per km, wat 21% minder is. Uiteraard worden de accu’s bijgeladen tijdens het uitrollen of remmen.

De prestaties zijn ook lekker: 7,2 seconden naar de 100 en een gelimiteerde topsnelheid van 250 km/h. Stilstaan doet de S 400 ook heel goed: hij is uitgerust met start-stoptechologie.

De benzinemotor in de S 400 heeft een paar aanpassingen ondergaan om wat efficiënter voor de dag te kunnen komen. Zo zijn het motormanagement en o.a. de compressie aangepast volgens het Atkinson-principe. De cilinderkop, zuigers en nokkenassen zijn volledig nieuw. Het leuke aan deze S 400 is verder dat het accupakket zo klein is dat het onder de motorkap past, in plaats van de ouderwetse accu die in andere S-klassen de onboard elektronica verzorgt. Geen kofferbak van 23 liter dus, alle interieurruimte is gelijk gebleven.

Mercedes-Benz is launching its first passenger car model equipped with a hybrid drive system in summer 2009 – the S 400 BlueHYBRID. The combination of a modified V6 petrol engine and a compact hybrid module makes the S 400 BlueHYBRID the world’s most economical luxury saloon with a spark-ignition engine. The NEDC combined fuel consumption is a mere 7.9 litres per 100 kilometres. This makes for the world’s lowest CO2 emissions in this vehicle and performance class – just 190 grams per kilometre. These exemplary figures go hand in hand with assured performance. The 3.5-litre petrol engine develops an output of 205 kW/279 hp, the electric motor generates 15 kW/20 hp and a starting torque of 160 Nm. The result is a combined output of 220 kW/299 hp and a combined maximum torque of 385 newton metres. Moreover, the new S 400 BlueHYBRID is the first series-production model to be equipped with a particularly efficient lithium-ion battery specially developed for automotive use. This is another major contribution by Mercedes-Benz to the electrification of the car.
The new Mercedes-Benz S 400 BlueHYBRID is based on the S 350, and features an extensively modified drive train. This encompasses a further development of the 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine, an additional magneto-electric motor, the 7G-TRONIC seven-speed automatic transmission specially configured for the hybrid module, the necessary operating and control electronics, the transformer and a high-voltage lithium-ion battery.
The compact hybrid module is a disc-shaped electric motor that also acts as a starter and generator. The system offers a double benefit, as it both helps to save fuel and increases driving enjoyment. This is partly due to the booster effect of the electric motor, as it powerfully backs up the petrol engine with a maximum additional torque of 160 newton metres during the high-consumption acceleration phase. The driver benefits from the combined action of these two units in the form of even more impressive torque characteristics and smooth, effortlessly superior acceleration.
The hybrid module also has a comfortable start/stop function, which switches the engine off when the vehicle is at a standstill – for example at traffic lights. When it’s time to move off again, the electric motor almost imperceptibly restarts the main power unit. This likewise makes a contribution to fuel economy and environmental protection: because the engine restarts first time, and practically instantly, emissions are also minimised during the starting phase.
When the vehicle is braked the electric motor acts as a generator, and is able to recover braking energy by a process known as recuperation. Working in finely tuned partnership, the electric motor supplements the braking effect of the petrol engine and the wheel brakes to deliver a smoothly progressive braking action. The recuperated energy is stored in a compact yet highly efficient lithium-ion battery in the engine compartment, and made available when required. This complex system is managed by a high-performance control unit, which is likewise located in the engine compartment.
A milestone on the road to electrification
The centrepiece of the modular, very compact and highly efficient hybrid drive system is the new high-voltage lithium-ion battery, which was specially developed for automotive use and is the first such unit worldwide to be introduced in a series-production vehicle. In this way Mercedes-Benz is making a trailblazing contribution to the electrification of the car, with the S-Class once again playing the role of the technological trendsetter.
Major advantages over conventional nickel/metal hydride batteries include a higher energy density and better electrical efficiency, together with more compact dimensions and a lower weight. Thanks to space-saving installation in the engine compartment, where it replaces the conventional starter battery, the generous interior space and boot capacity of the S 400 remain unchanged. The lithium-ion battery not only stores energy for the electric motor, but is also connected to the 12-Volt onboard network via the transformer to supply power to other standard consumers such as the headlamps and comfort features. The completely newly designed battery system consists of the cell block with its lithium-ion cells and the cell monitoring system, the battery management function, the high-strength housing, the cooling gel, the cooling plate, the coolant feed and the high-voltage connector.
Optimised thermal efficiency lowers the engine’s fuel consumption
The 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine with variable valve control has been throughly re-engineered and improved. In the process the development engineers made use of the advantages offered by the Atkinson principle,where the expansion phase is longer than the compression phase. The intake valve is kept open slightly longer between the intake and compression phases, which improves the engine’s thermal efficiency while reducing the specific fuel consumption and untreated emissions. A new cylinder head, different pistons and a modified camshaft with different camshaft control increase the output by 5 kW/7 hp to 205 kW/279 hp – while reducing fuel consumption at the same time.
Especially on rural journeys and on motorways, the S 400 BlueHYBRID achieves a further efficiency improvement by moving the so-called operating point of the petrol engine to produce a lower specific fuel consumption. The extremely high start-off torque made possible by the boost effect of the electric motor gives the driver a particularly exhilarating feeling of powerful acceleration, while fuel consumption and emissions are reduced.
The electric motor improves efficiency
The compact, disc-shaped electric motor, which is space-savingly installed in the torque converter housing between the engine and the 7G-TRONIC seven-speed automatic transmission, improves efficiency even further. This is a 3-phase AC external rotor magneto motor, which develops a peak output of 15 kW/20 hp and a starting torque of 160 newton metres with an operating voltage of 120 Volts.
This compact motor also acts as a starter and generator, adopting the functions of both these conventional ancillary units.
Sophisticated interaction with the internal combustion engine makes numerous additional functions possible that positively influence the emissions and agility of the S 400 BlueHYBRID in equal measure. Moreover, this disc-shaped motor effectively dampens torsional vibrations in the drive train, thereby further reducing noise and vibrations in the interior. The result is even more ride comfort for both driver and passengers.
“Boost” effect for even more driving pleasure
The overall system offers extensive benefits: firstly by helping to save fuel, and secondly by increasing driving pleasure with the help of the “boost” effect, where the electric motor gives powerful assistance to the petrol engine with its maximum torque of 160 newton metres right from the beginning of the fuel-intensive acceleration phase. This means that the hybrid drive system of the S 400 BlueHYBRID moves off powerfully even from very low engine speeds, as the torque curve impressively confirms. The additional torque of the hybrid module also has a consistently positive effect during subsequent acceleration phases. In all driving situations, the driver therefore benefits from the interaction between the two units in the form of powerful responsiveness and muscular torque – but without an increased fuel consumption.
The S 400 BlueHYBRID accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in 7.2 seconds, and reaches an electronically governed top speed of 250 km/h. The S 400 BlueHYBRID betters the already very favourable NEDC fuel consumption of the conventionally powered S 350 by up to 2.2 litres per 100 kilometres. CO2 emissions are reduced by 21 percent.
The start/stop function already saves fuel when rolling to a stop
In addition the hybrid module features an extremely comfortable and efficient start/stop function, which already switches the engine off when the vehicle is rolling to a stop at less than 15 km/h, for example before stopping at traffic lights. When it’s time to move off again, the electric motor immediately and imperceptibly restarts the main engine as soon as the driver releases the brake pedal or operates the accelerator. This likewise contributes to fuel economy and environmental conservation: as the engine restarts practically instantly, emissions are also minimised during the starting phase. The vibrations and jolts that are unavoidable when starting with a conventional starter are also reduced to a minimum.
Steering and climatic comfort remain unchanged, as both the steering servo pump and the refrigerant compressor are electrically powered. Both systems therefore continue to operate even when the vehicle is at a standstill with the engine automatically switched off. The intelligent control logic is able to detect whether the driver is executing a turning or parking manoeuvre. In this case the automatic start/stop function is temporarily deactivated, so that these manoeuvres can be carried out in comfort.
Every braking action generates electric power for the battery
When the vehicle is braked, the electric motor acts as a generator and uses a process known as recuperation to convert the kinetic energy into electrical energy. This energy is stored in the compact yet highly efficient lithium-ion battery, and made available when required.
In the process the electric motor assists the engine braking effect of the internal combustion engine in two smooth, seamless stages: In stage one, on the overrun with no braking action, the electric motor acts as a generator and begins to recuperate energy. Stage two commences as soon as the driver lightly operates the brake pedal: the generator output is then increased proportionally, and perceived as heavier deceleration by the driver. Only when more brake pedal pressure is applied are the wheel brakes activated in addition to recuperation. In this way more electrical energy can be generated, while saving wear and tear on the hydraulic braking system at the same time. To make the best possible use of this double benefit, Mercedes engineers also developed a new braking system with a new brake pedal module for the S 400 BlueHYBRID.
Cleverly located control electronics
Dedicated control electronics are required to operate the 3-phase AC electric motor in the 120-Volt high-voltage DC network. The current converter is accommodated in the space formerly occupied by the starter. As the control electronics heat up as a result of electric currents measuring up to 150 amps, the system is equipped with its own, additional low-temperature cooling circuit.
Mercedes-Benz engineers have accommodated the transformer in the right front wheel arch, where it facilitates the exchange of energy between the 120-Volt high-voltage network and the 12-Volt onboard network – and also allows the option of emergency starting with jump leads if the standard battery should lose its charge. To ensure a consistently high level of electrical efficiency, the transformer is likewise cooled by a low-temperature circuit. The 12-Volt lead/acid battery is installed in the boot, and not only supplies the standard consumers but also the monitoring system for the high-voltage components with energy. Thanks to its interaction with the lithium-ion battery, it is considerably smaller in size and lighter than usual.
Tried-and-tested automatic transmission with a new configuration
Mercedes-Benz developers also adapted the well-proven 7G-TRONIC automatic transmission to suit the hybrid drive, with newly programmed software for the transmission management system. A newly developed auxiliary oil pump ensures reliable lubrication of the transmission even during phases when the internal combustion engine is switched off.
This complex system is managed by the modified high-performance engine control unit. This incorporates extensive functions, and distinguishes between operating conditions such as city traffic, rural journeys, motorway driving or slow manoeuvring.
Hybrid status is shown in the instrument cluster
The driver is also able to monitor the status of the hybrid drive system visually. The instrument cluster has a separate, centrally positioned, display showing the energy flow during boost and recuperation phases, as well as the battery charge status.
Seven-stage safety concept in addition to the Mercedes-Benz standard
As is usual at Mercedes-Benz, the development engineers gave safety aspects their very special attention. Know-how incorporated into the series-production car included long years of Daimler research experience with fuel-cell technology. The challenge lay in not only complying with all the worldwide and in-house legal crash test requirements, but also in ensuring the greatest possible safety for the electrical components. This safety system already applies in production, includes workshop personnel during servicing and maintenance, and also takes the emergency services into account when passengers need to be recovered following an accident.
Accordingly the hybrid technology of the S 400 BlueHYBRID is equipped with an extensive 7-stage safety concept.
1. In the first stage all the wiring is colour-coded to eliminate confusion, and marked with safety instructions. This prevents assembly errors in production, and makes the regular quality checks easier to carry out.
2. The second stage comprises comprehensive contact protection for the entire system by means of generous insulation and newly developed, dedicated connectors.
3. As part of the third stage, the world’s first lithium-ion battery to be used in a series-production model has been given a whole package of carefully coordinated safety measures. This innovative battery is accommodated in a high-strength steel housing, and also secured in place. Bedding the battery cells in a special gel effectively dampens any jolts and knocks. There is also a blow-off vent with a rupture disc and a separate cooling circuit. An internal electronic controller continuously monitors the safety requirements and immediately signals any malfunctions.
4. The fourth stage of the safety concept includes separation of the battery terminals, individual safety-wiring for all high-voltage components and continuous monitoring by multiple interlock switches. This means that all high-voltage components are connected by an electric loop. In the event of a malfunction the high-voltage system is automatically switched off.
5. Active discharging of the high-voltage system as soon as the ignition is switched to “Off”, or in the event of a malfunction, is part of the fifth stage.
6. During an accident, the high-voltage system is completely switched off within fractions of a second (stage six).
7. As the seventh and last stage, the system is continuously monitored for short circuits.
Thanks to its compact dimensions and modular design, the additional weight of the overall system is only 75 kilograms – including the comprehensive safety systems. The superior driving experience for which a Mercedes is known is therefore ensured by this trailblazing and very versatile technology, which can be used for practically all Mercedes-Benz model series. Moreover, the payload remains unchanged at 595 kilograms.
The intelligent high-performance engine management system responds very sensitively to different driving conditions, and optimally configures the drive system for the relevant application, ensuring that both fuel consumption and emissions are kept to the lowest possible level.
At standstill the petrol engine is usually switched off, and therefore consumes no fuel. The electric drive of the refrigerant compressor and steering servo pump allows uninterrupted operation of the air conditioning and power steering. Comfort is in no way compromised, and is at the same high level as in all S-Class models.
Moving off and acceleratingaway gently remains a smooth and comfortable procedure. A driver who kicks down the accelerator for a brisk start benefits from the boost function of the electric motor, which produces considerably more dynamic acceleration.
At constant speedsthe intelligent electronics recognise situations such as relaxed motorway stretches, and automatically adjust the load point of the internal combustion engine to achieve a lower specific fuel consumption, thereby helping to save fuel and reduce emissions.
When rolling to a stopthe recuperation function is activated as soon as the drive is interrupted in any way (foot off the accelerator, engine braking). Once the vehicle speed falls below 15 km/h, the petrol engine is automatically switched off.
If the driver brakes using the brake pedal, the electric motor initially begins to convert the vehicle’s kinetic energy into electrical energy. In this case the electric motor acts as a generator, storing the kinetic energy as electrical energy in the lithium-ion battery. This process feels like a stronger engine braking effect to the driver. The conventional disc brakes at the wheels are not yet employed, saving wear and tear. The disc brakes are only activated if the driver applies heavy pressure to the brake pedal, braking the car together with the engine brake and recuperation.
Once the driver selects “R” (reverse) in the 7G-TRONIC automatic transmission when manoeuvring, this automatically activates the Manoeuvring mode and prevents the start/stop function from switching off the engine at short, frequent intervals.
The advantages of the hybrid drive system really come into their own in city traffic, with frequent stops at red traffic lights. Already switching off the petrol engine as the car frequently coasts to a stop significantly lowers the fuel consumption and emissions, while the long recuperation phases increase the battery charge. The electric motor ensures particularly comfortable and rapid restarting when the start/stop function is active.
On rural roadsthere are frequent changes between boost, constant speed and recuperation phases. Depending on the nature of the route, large quantities of recuperation energy are available to reduce fuel consumption and emissions. The more braking and acceleration phases there are, the better: uphill and downhill gradients, as well as winding, dynamic stretches, make for the largest savings.
The hybrid effect is inherently less important on motorways, however thanks to specific modifications to the V6 petrol engine and the 7G-TRONIC automatic transmission, the driver is also able to achieve significant fuel savings and correspondingly lower emissions on fast road stretches like these.
The S 400 BlueHYBRID is produced at the Sindelfingenplant, together with the other S-Class models. The petrol engine, 7G-TRONIC automatic transmission and electric motor are first put together to form a hybrid module, then delivered to the production line as a unit. The market launch in western Europe is planned for June 2009; China is expected to follow in August 2009 and the USAin September 2009.
Modular technologies for the environmentally friendly future of the premium car
The new S 400 BlueHYBRID exemplifies the strategy of Mercedes-Benz, whose declared aim is to offer the brand’s customers economical and environmentally compatible premium cars – without compromising in terms of typical brand attributes such as safety, comfort and a superior driving experience.
Major areas of development focus include modular drive technologies, which are used on a stand-alone basis or in combination depending on the vehicle class, operating profile and customer requirements – Mercedes-Benz has already described how this applies to the product portfolio in its “Road to the Future”. In this context Mercedes-Benz also provides an outlook on the future of the internal combustion engine, with the innovative DIESOTTO engine in the F 700 research car.
Dedicated solutions for different requirements
The requirements for the cars of the future are complex and multi-facetted. This is because the world population, and therefore the demand for mobility, are set to increase drastically over the next few decades. At the same time the world’s natural resources are becoming increasingly scarce, and therefore more and more expensive for both consumers and car manufacturers. Depending on the world region, there are also sometimes very different legal requirements with respect to the environmental compatibility of vehicles. Examples include the environmental zones already established in many European cities, or the legally prescibed quotas for emission-free vehicles in California.
These developments are already having a noticeable effect on customer behaviour. In addition to economic factors – above all increasing fuel prices – the environmental compatibility of a car is becoming increasingly important as a buying criterion. What is more, the day-to-day driving requirements of customers are becoming more and more individual and distinctive: drivers covering long rural distances have different requirements from those who mainly or even exclusively drive in densely populated urban areas.
In the view of Mercedes-Benz, there is therefore no single technology that will provide the ideal solution for sustainable mobility in the future. Instead the company offers versatile, tailor-made solutions to meet these very varied requirements. The individual technologies deliver their benefits in terms of optimal fuel consumption and emissions in the specific areas of application concerned. The approach taken by Mercedes-Benz envisages vehicle concepts with modular drive technologies, which ensure that customer benefits and environmental compatibility are always jointly emphasised.
Roadmap for sustainable mobility
The corporate development strategy is aimed at safeguarding the leading position in the premium segment on a lasting basis. To this end three areas of emphasis were defined in the roadmap for sustained mobility:
Vehicle optimisation with the latest internal combustion engine technology – for example by downsizing, high-pressure charging, direct injection and the environmentally friendly diesel technology BlueTEC – as well as specific vehicle improvements in the areas of aerodynamics, lightweight construction and energy management (BlueEFFICIENCY), for example.
Further efficiency improvements by means of need-related hybridisation in various development stages – from the start/stop function to the two-mode hybrid operating under electric power alone.
Locally emission-free driving with fuel-cell and battery-powered vehicles.
The company is also actively involved in the development of clean and alternative fuels that do not compete with the production of foodstuffs – particularly in SunDiesel, which is obtained from plant waste.
An intelligent mix of drive systems as a solution for the mobility of the future
Mercedes-Benz has already brought numerous answers to the challenges of tomorrow to market. The most recent examples are the BlueEFFICIENCY models in the A-Class, B-Class and C-Class, the natural-gas-powered B 170 NGT and the powerful yet economical and clean BlueTEC SUVs, which were first introduced into the US market this year. A mix of modular drive systems, from the latest internal combustion engines with BlueTEC or direct injection, with or without hybridisation, right up to locally emission-free battery and fuel-cell-powered vehicles, provides all the conditions that will enable Mercedes-Benz to offer its customers need-related mobility to the brand’s customary high standard into the long-term future.

31 reacties
Wel HOOFDletters, maar het is geen V12. Jammer. Ik doe geen diesels meer met minder cilinders.
Stilstaan doet de S 400 ook heel goed: hij is uitgerust met start-stoptechologie. :lol:
You can say what you want, but that’s funny!
Zie je nou!! Hybride rijden kan wel leuk zijn :P
Betwijvel echter of je voor de 31k die de rijkst uitgeruste Prius op moet bengen ook in een S-klasse kan rijden :P
@ Wouter: :lol:
Ze worden wel steeds guller qua typeaanduiding bij Mercedes,een 3.5liter noemen ze nu al 400 :lol:
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sanders-amg
17-09-2008 om 17:38
wat zijn de voordelen van een atkinson motor dan vergeleken een conventionele otto motor?
de zuigers bewegen snellen van het ODP naar het BDP maar das toch juist een nadeel omdat je piekdrukken sneller verdwijnen of niet?
Bij Lexus leveren de elektro motoren veel meer vermogen..
Martin Cassini
17-09-2008 om 17:53
The biggest gas guzzlers and time wasters are the traffic lights themselves. Get rid of them and let all road-users filter happily and efficiently in turn!
@ Patrick, ik denk dat ze voor een minder vermogende electromotor kozen om zo niet in te boeten aan ruimte, zo’n sterkere electromotor zal ook wel wat meer stroom lusten!
@sanders: als ik het even vertaal voor je:

Je laat de inlaat nog even open als de cilinder omhoog gaat, hierdoor zit er dus minder lucht in de cilinder dan wanneer hij onderaan al dichtgaat. Vervolgens comprimeert hij deze lucht, waardoor compressieverhouding lager is dan wanneer de klep onderaan dichtgaat. (eindvolume is gelijk, maar beginvolume minder)

Echter, de motor kan wel de volledige slag naar beneden maken, en dus relatief meer energie kwijt. (en het kost minder energie om omhoog te gaan omdat je minder comprimeert)

Het nadeel is dat je iets vermogen inlevert.
Voor diegene die misschien geïnteresseerd zijn in dat Atkinson principe.
Waar het op neer komt is dat de inlaatklep langer open blijft staan waardoor de in theorie maximale compressie verhouding niet gehaald wordt, een te hoge compressie verhouding zal immers problemen geven (klop verschijnselen e.d.). Maar tijdens de expansie is de volledige slag wel beschikbaar waardoor de motor dus meer energie nuttig kan gebruiken zonder de nadelige effecten van een te hoge compressie. Daardoor zal deze auto op papier een erg hoge compressie verhouding hebben die hij in principe nooit haalt.

Wat ik wel afvraag is wat voor versnellingsbak ze gebruiken, ik neem aan dat deze geen viscose koppeling heeft want dan slaat deze auto helemaal nergens op aangezien die alles behalve efficient zijn.
@sanders-amg,

Door het brandstof-lucht mengsel gelegenheid te geven om te expanderen naar een groter volume (door die langere arbeidsslag) wordt er feitelijk meer energie overgedragen aan de krukas dus efficiënter gebruik gemaakt van de brandstof….

De nadelen van een atkinson worden tegenwoordig opgevangen door o.m variabele klaptiming i.c.m drukvulling en/of elektromotoren.

http://modifiedatkinsoncycleengine.blogspot.com/
Jee-oekeloeres
17-09-2008 om 18:31
Is dat familie van Rowan Atkinson?
@ arie nap: de 7G-tronic bakken van Mercedes hebben wel lockup torque converters, wat ervoor zorgt dat hij ook mechanisch gekoppeld kan worden en dus redelijk efficiënt is.
Martini Cassini’s oneliner is goud waard.
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sanders-amg
17-09-2008 om 19:06
okee, iedereen bedank voor hun reactie.
het doel hiervan is dus om het rendement van de motor te verhogen door de zware compressieslag te verminderen, en door middel van een turbo bij hoge toerentallen toch nog een redelijke cilinder vulling te verkrijgen. of door dit verschil met een elektro motor te compenseren.
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Een betere ontwerper
17-09-2008 om 19:40
Leuk display, mooie kleur. Alleen wat andere velge eronder.

Nou tis een begin, nu de andere Klasse’s nog.
Ik heb niet het engelstalige deel van dit bericht gelezen maar:

Deze wordt gevoed door moderne lithium-ionaccu’s en weet de benzinemotor zo te assisteren dat het gecombineerde verbruik blijft steken op 7,9 liter per 100 km; 2,2 liter minder dan de S 350.

Dan is het dus geen hybride.
Dit heeft echt absoluut niks met lexus te maken.
Lexus is gewoon een bocht toyota aftreksel. Iedereen is tegenwoordig toch
bezig met groene en of hybride shit. Wees blij dat er weer een hybride model bijkomt. Een prius of een S-klasse, ik wist het wel…….
Uiteraard worden de accu’s bijgeladen tijdens het uitrollen of remmen.
Is dit niet iets wat BMW ook heeft ?
hij is uitgerust met start-stoptechologie.
Is dit niet iets wat BMW ook heeft ?
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Beetje Verward
18-09-2008 om 10:38
@gotty

“Deze wordt gevoed door moderne lithium-ionaccu’s en weet de benzinemotor zo te assisteren dat het gecombineerde verbruik blijft steken op 7,9 liter per 100 km; 2,2 liter minder dan de S 350.
Dan is het dus geen hybride.”

eeeeehhhh.. Waarom is het dan geen hybride???? Graag uitleg.
@ Gotti: een elektro- en benzinemotor die samenwerken om een lager verbruik te realiseren, please do explain why that couldn’t be a hybrid ;)
Dit is het eerste model van de samenwerking tussen Mercedes, bmw en GM.
dus: aankomende zomer: 5 serie hybrid, x5 hybrid, nieuwe E hybrid, etc.

ze hebben gekozen voor het principe van Honda: mild hybrid; weegt minder en kost minder.
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Beetje Verward
18-09-2008 om 11:45
@ boot
Waarom zou enige gewichtsbesparing en enige kostenbesparing (als het al zo is) een rol spelen bij zo’n dikke mercedes? Dan ga je toch gewoon voor het beste systeem.
Ik heb ervaren dat het Honda systeem een heel stuk minder verfijnd is dan het Toyota/Lexus systeem.
@ beetje verward en Jesper: bij ‘n hybride assisteert de verbrandingsmotor de elektromotor, hier is ‘t andersom. Dus geen hybride.
Nou vind ik ‘t ook 1 pot nat :wink: , maar daar gaat ‘t niet om…
@ Beetje Verward & Jesper Emile_Benz:

Voor zover ik hier een keer gelezen heb is een hybride een auto die volledig elektrisch kan rijden, en dat haal ik niet uit het nederlandstalige gedeelte van het artikel (en eerlijk gezegd ook niet uit de text van Emile_Benz, maar zoals ik al zei: “voor zover ik hier een keer gelezen heb”)
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Beetje Verward
18-09-2008 om 12:48
Toch maar even: Een hybride is een auto met 2 motoren. Een verbrandingsmotor en een electromotor. De ene ondersteunt de andere. Ze werken samen als een team. Ieder doet waar hij het beste in is.

En of de auto alleen electrisch kan rijden of niet doet niet ter zake.

Dus deze Mercedes is (wordt) gewoon een hybride. En die M3 en die Peugeot 24 uurs bolide zijn ook hybrides. Net als de Prius, de Civic Hybride, de Lexus h etc. Erg leuke techniek en in alle gevallen veel rijplezier.
Mercedes is én blijft Lexus gewoon een stapje voor. De S400 heeft tenminste een normale kofferbak. En rond de 7 sec is best rap :)
Weten we al iets meer hierover?

Komt deze naast de gewone S350 in de showroom en zou hij veel meer kosten?!
Waar is de tijd , (nog niet zolang geleden trouwens) toen indereen nog lachte met Toyota en zen Prius.
Heeft het echt zolang geduurd om een hybride systeem te begrijpen ?
1 op 8, come on de Fisker doet 1 op 40!
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